Point Counterpoint - Donna Lambert and Dan Murphy

The following are the comments of Donna Lambert on my blog in response to my last post. Donna's original comments are there as well. Since she brought up many issues I am addressing each here.

Donna's comments are in normal text.
Dan's responses are in bold

Anybody can see the file at 220 W Broadway

Why send your supporters, one by one, in the middle of their day to have to face their nemesis to get this “proof” that you hold in your hands.

Donna Lambert or Terrie Best, it should come up with both. While you read it, try to compare the false statements with the facts, which are documented.

False statements, Facts… What does that mean? Clarification would be so simple.

They are now public information. Go step by step through the statements to the court, and then with actual emails and other documents and try to find the number of lies you will find. You will lose count.

Actual emails…Other documents…Vague. I seem to have misplaced my copies, could you email them to me? Better yet, wait for it, release them!

I could easily release the audio file and have considered it,

I know… I am asking…Many people are asking.

if Terrie Best (Eugene Davidovich's girlfriend)

Tisk,tisk.

wants to publicly request that I will be happy to do so. For the sake of trying to de-escalate the community, I did not.

De-escalate? Really? I can only pray.

The opposing side refused repeatedly to let it be played.

He delayed his decision for a couple of hours to read the documents after which he ruled against Donna, and the matter was dissolved. As the judge said over and over again that day, Donna did not meet the burden of proof needed to interfere with Terrie's civil liberties.

Why would they refuse to let an audio be played if there was no assault? If no assault had occured, they would have jumped at the chance. Did you ask the people present in the courtroom before you wrote your latest slander?

Yes.
Slander? I repeat, what slander? Let alone for you to have the gall to even say that.

Further, another option is to actually file assault charges, and I still can, but I have been asked by people who are supposedly in your camp to let this die down.

Consult with a lawyer before you do that.

We also did attempt to obtain the video file and have a cap number for that request within several days of the assault. We also had the exact time because my attorney was attempting to record the statement of a spanish speaking lady when the assault occurred. And I went to court and agreed with the opposing side in requesting the release of the video that we had already tried over a week earlier to obtain and even told the judge correct time as it was stamped onto my attorneys cellphone as she was in the middle of recording this woman she had just defended for free.

None of this is preventing you from obtaining and releasing the video.

Again, people from your camp were there.

You keep painting me into a “camp”. That hurts. You aren’t really hearing the message. You read my words but their meaning escapes you.

Now you are insulting an attorney who has defended and indigent medical marijuana patient for free? And got her charges dismissed.

I did not insult your counsel, merely insinuated that you did not listen to them. But that depends on what really happened…If there was an assault then she is being a hero lawyer and defending her client even under threat of physical harm. BUT, and I am only hypothesizing, if she colluded in fabricating charges then she would be worthy of insult.

You are being manipulated by Brett.

Who is Brett? Another one of your victims? Thanks, I did not know that name.

I have met you maybe once or twice, probably talked with you for less than ten minutes. I do not even know you and you do not know me. None of your group there seem to have any problem slandering other activists or people trying to make a difference, that do not follow your leader.

Who, what, when, where? I know none of which you speak. Please be more specific.

You are continuing with the same vein, You, and your friends continue to try to smear everybody that is working with other groups, or individually.

You keep painting me into a “camp”. That hurts. You aren’t really hearing the message. You read my words but their meaning escapes you.

You are doing it with the blog you just wrote. Not only to myself but to many others who work hard in this community.

You paint me into one “camp” and out of another. I have made multiple efforts to be all inclusive. Please. Every post, every blog, every idea is to make this movement stronger. Not one person, group, or organization but the movement. My message has been consistent and I am sorry you cannot see that.

Your blog and post tonight is an actual active effort to continue to drum up publicity for your leader.

I sought the most organized, effective and proactive group to rally behind. I was here to support the victims, honest. So I watched the way people rallied behind the victims. At the court dates I attended I observed a greater contingent of ASA members, while NORML was represented by Craig and Mara. I do not base my loyalties based on the leadership of a group but the soul, the collective energy of the group itself. The membership.

I could debate policies of ASA and NORML but that is not my message. If I am going to spend my time and energy then I am going to be effective. To accomplish anything I will need to surround myself with other effective people. But I hear of the “rift”. I hear stories on both sides.. So I investigate.

You say I am a puppet for these “others”. I have heard one message from ASA national and local, over and over. “Don’t touch it, ignore it, and let it go.” I tried. After the attacks continued after the TRO hearing I had an internal struggle over what to do.

I see it like this, The movement in San Diego is a living breathing entity, capable of great things…If we nurture it. I am responding only as bluntly as necessary to get this message across. Had you been more receptive to any number of your friends suggestions to drop it then it would not be necessary to do what I did.

You see, I have big ideas, but before I can pursue any of them I need to ensure the movement here in San Diego is capable of managing them.

It is you and the very small group of people you are closely working with who continues to keep this up, it is in your interest to try to attack me, and your small inner group is the ones who keep doing it. You are the one creating the division.

Yes. It is in my interest to attack you. But I am not attacking YOU, I am defending the movement. No, I am doing this against the better advice from any ASA panel member.

I believe in safe and affordable access for medical marijuana patients. I am a good person and do not deserve your slander. Look in the mirror, you are talking to yourself.

Good person? – self edit.

Everything you say applies to you, Dan. You and the others are the ones creating the division and the problem.

Others? You should be more careful. You are letting me and everyone else that I am not the first of your antagonists? I am not expecting any support from any group with this. I have probably upset people throughout the entire movement. You keep putting us in boxes with labels. Why?

Did I just write a blog about you?

No, but I am sure I have been the topic of many off the record conversations.

Why are you obsessed about slandering me?

I am asking questions and stating opinions. It’s not slander, its Libel.

Have you ever sat down with me? NO. I don't even know you.

I stand for the patients, for safe and affordable access. Is there something about that that scares you?

Scared? Now you are projecting. For some reason I am the only one that is not scared. Would a scared person put his head on the chopping block for you to publicly humiliate, risk being ostracized by the one community that accepts me for who I am? Maybe I should be scared. 
Was that a threat?

No, I am not scared. I am frustrated that all this energy is being spent on this. It needed to come to a head and no one else wanted to talk about the elephant in the room. So I responded. Seek out your more reasonable friends. Ask them to read my blogs and explain my message to you.

I am so sorry it came to this. I can only hope that there are those out there that can understand that this needed to be done. I have the court files. I have been digesting them and this is why I have not responded sooner. I will be posting the files to end the controversy.



Dan Murphy